Friday, 26 March 2010

Guest post by Bruce Scott on the FTP hearing of Malcolm Cross

A case of dialectical disease: A tale of a Health Professions Council fitness to practice hearing of a psychologist.

Bruce Scott
Philadelphia Association, London


Whilst attending the Health Professionals Council fitness to practice hearing of Dr. Malcolm Cross on the 15th and 16th of March 2010, a conversation came to mind that took place between the playwright and poet Goethe and the philosopher Hegel in 1827. Their conversation highlighted the problem of “dialectical disease” of what this hearing, I felt, was suffering from. The conversation between Goethe and Hegel went as follows:

The discourse then turned upon the nature of dialectics. “They are in fact” said Hegel, “nothing more than the regulated, methodically-cultivated spirit of contradiction which is innate in all men, and which shows itself great as a talent in the distinction between the true and the false.”
“Let us only hope,” interposed Goethe, “that these intellectual arts and dexterities are not frequently misused, and employed to make the false true and the true false.”
“That certainly happens,” said Hegel; “but only with people who are mentally diseased.”
“I therefore congratulate myself,” said Goethe, “upon the study of nature which preserves me from such a disease……I am also certain that many a dialectic disease would find a wholesome remedy in the study of nature.”

It became clear during the course of the hearing that it was afflicted with this “dialectical disease” as they (i.e. lawyers, judging panel, complainants etc) were focussing upon and arguing about the notion of what amounts to “misconduct”. In effect they were trying to make the false true and the true false in their logical argumentations of what constitutes misconduct. As I sat in stunned silence, a fear came over me. I felt unsafe amongst these diseased dialecticians as the concerned parties , for what appeal to reason, or to nature as Goethe advocated, would or could be heard? Human nature had been left aside, human freedom had been forgotten, and common sense had been replaced by an authoritarian pseudo-psychological medico-empirical scientific dialectic pertaining to the notion of misconduct that was divorced from any “alternative” or freer way of looking at misconduct (if it could be called that). This lead to an abusive and violent hearing and sad conclusion to the hearing. Let me explain why.

The facts of the case have recently been circulating within various media (i.e., newspaper reports), but let me summarise . Dr Cross was the Chair of an accreditation team (4 in total) visiting a university to carry out its evaluation of a university counselling psychology course to see whether it was up to the job of being accredited with British Psychological Society (BPS) validation. The team met the night before at a hotel and had a brief discussion about the paperwork and any issues pertaining to the accreditation visit. Dr Cross felt (as Chair of this team) that there was very little to go over and that everything was in place for the visit the next day. Then team then went for dinner to a restaurant along with the wife of one of the team members. At dinner wine was drunk (4 bottles in total) and everybody was drinking. Dr Cross was not working as a psychologist at this dinner; neither were any other of the team in their respective roles. It was purely a social occasion. I will relate the facts of what happened during this meal in a moment, but suffice to say, Dr. Cross carried out his duties the next day as the head of the accreditation team perfectly well. Indeed, all the members of the team, which included the two complainants against him, described his performance the next day as “exemplary”. So one might ask what was the problem that occurred the evening before?
During the course of the dinner (and short informal meeting before dinner) Dr Cross was accused of:

1) Being drunk (at the dinner and when he arrived at the hotel for the informal accreditation discussion).
2) Being rude, lewd and condescending during the course of the evening.
3) Touching himself in a sexual manner.
4) Making sexual gestures to two of his colleagues: trying to kiss, express his love and offer oral sex to one colleague and touching the leg of another.

Some people may jump to the conclusion that these events are indeed misconduct and in need of judicial/HPC treatment. Such people might shout, “What! A psychologist drunk, rude, condescending and being sexually disinhibited! What scandal, strike him off, take him to the gallows!” Well obviously some people did, and it went through the laborious administrative process at the HPC and thence to hearing.

Here is an extract from a clinical psychology internet forum from a blogger after I had alerted their attention to the case of Dr Cross and the nature of HPC hearings . This blogger’s comments highlight the pervasiveness of diseased dialectical processes in the pro-HPC camp. It clearly does not see everything as it is in the clearing to quote Heidegger .

“….it would be highly concerning to me that such behaviour might have an impact on the people they work with, and beyond a certain threshold it would be appropriate to make a complaint. After all, a complaint is then investigated and a hearing is held, where parties can appoint solicitors, in which the person can challenge the allegations, and other witnesses can be called, and their peers can comment on their behaviour and what is outside of acceptable limits.”

Well, that makes it all ok then! Bring on the trial, justice will be done, the law will prevail – or does it?

The HPC lawyer cross-examining Dr Cross obviously believed in such a process. In her summing up of the case she brought the hearings attention to point 3 of “the Standards of conduct, performance and ethics” of an HPC registrant. This states:

“You must keep high standards of personal conduct, as well as professional conduct. You should be aware that poor conduct outside of your professional life may still affect someone’s confidence in you and the profession.”

Following on from this, point 4 on the Standards of conduct, performance and ethics states:

“You must tell us (and any other relevant regulators) if you have important information about your conduct or competence, or about any other registrants and health professionals you work with.”

The HPC lawyer then went on to argue that one has to consider the wider public policy (i.e., protection of the public). She argued that Dr. Cross’s behaviour was evidence of misconduct and was of interest to the confidence and safety of the public as he is a psychologist and treats vulnerable people. Concluding, she argued that the alleged misconduct of Dr Cross is evidence of his impairment of his fitness to practice. She referred to a case brought to the attention of the General Medical Council a few years ago where a Doctor had crossed the boundaries of the patient-doctor relationship (the Doctor had sex with his patient which was consensual). When I heard her mention this case I thought to myself what relevance is this to Dr Cross’ case.

These assertions of misconduct were bolstered earlier in the hearing by the fact that one the complainants (a psychologist) argued, whilst on the stand giving evidence, that Dr Cross’s behaviour was indicative of a potential serious problem that needed to be addressed. Don’t forget, this complainant had also been drinking on this evening. He confessed to drinking three glasses of wine. Perhaps it was more, maybe 4, or 5 perhaps. The second complainant (a British Psychological Society secretary whose role it was to takes minutes during the accreditation meeting the next day) was, according to the testimony of all others who gave evidence, texting, twittering, or emailing on her mobile or blackberry throughout the dinner. She accused Dr Cross of being rude to her and belittling her. She said he was nicer to everybody else compared to her. Dr. Cross had said to her that if she missed her friends that much, she should have stayed at home. Doesn’t the new DSM manual have a new disorder called something along the lines of “internet addiction” which leads to difficulty in social interactions and interpretation of social cues and interaction?

My mention of binge drinking and internet addiction is said with tongue in cheek. I was quite surprised that the HPC panel, the HPC lawyer, and Dr. Cross’s lawyer did not bring these facts up for any real discussion. However, the lay member of the panel did mention that she would find such “twittering” behaviour very rude.

Yes, Dr, Cross did admit to trying to kiss one of the accreditation team, told him he loved him and offered to give him oral sex. But he did say it was a joke, a bad joke perhaps, and not well received by one member of the team. The other male member of the team in his statement to the hearing (a paper submission) reported that he just laughed at Dr. Cross’ disinhibited sexual jokes and antics and did not think they were serious, and he was not offended by them in any way and neither was his wife who was also present.

So, the panel adjourned on the second day at around 11.15am to see if Dr Cross’s behaviour amounted to misconduct of an HPC registered psychologist and if it amounted to an impairment of his fitness to practice. I had to wait for 6 hours to be called back for the result.

Luckily for Dr Cross, although the panel thought that he was drunk, lewd, and rude, it was not proven if he touched himself in a sexual manner (evidence submitted showed that the complainants could not see this occur as he was sitting in such a way that he was obscured). It was also not proven that Dr Cross was serious in his gestures of love and affection to people at this social occasion. The panel ruled that his behaviour did not amount to misconduct and thus the allegation of misconduct was not well founded. “Justice was done!” the pro-regulation brigade might shout at such a result. “You see,” they might say, “it is a good process, everything was done above board, witnesses were called, and he was cleared.”

Was he cleared? Is Dr Cross in the clear? Not according to the newspapers. He was written about as though he was guilty. The story was sensationalised with all the lewd bits highlighted to the omission of more balancing facts; that two other people were present at the dinner and they thought Dr. Cross’s behaviour was fine; disinhibited, joking, and fun yes, misconduct, no. It was not reported that nobody left the dinner and walked out in disgust; everybody enjoyed a two-course dinner with wine. It was not reported that everybody was drinking, and that no restaurant staff or diners made a complaint about Dr Cross. It was not reported that the BPS, who had been initially consulted about this incident by one of the complainants, wanted to deal with the incident in house. But this complainant was not satisfied with this; it was subsequently taken to the HPC. A grudge perhaps? More importantly, it was never reported in any of the newspaper reports that Cross was not on duty as a psychologist at the time, and also that he carried out his duties in an exemplary fashion (to everybody’s testimonies given) the next day.

What was most upsetting to me just when the HPC panel finished delivering their verdict, Dr Cross broke down into tears, and rushed out of the hearing room. Nobody flinched. I was almost brought to tears myself witnessing this. It was terrible. Dr Cross had been brought to trial, and I call it trial because it had all the hallmarks of a legal trial, and his reputation has been “sullied” by the press and his colleagues and the HPC process in a most disgusting way. This will no doubt affect his working life and livelihood and perhaps even his personal life and relationships. But never mind, justice was done, he was cleared. Of course, I am being ironic in this last statement.

I think at this juncture it might helpful to again look at this idea of “misconduct”. Dictionary definitions of misconduct pertain to: behaviour not conforming to prevailing standards of law, bad management by persons entrusted or engaged on another’s behalf, and deliberate wrongdoing, especially by government officials or military officials. The thesaurus, just for interest, gives some unsurprising results: to behave oneself improperly, rude behaviour, horseplay, and naughtiness.

There are also legal definitions of misconduct. These pertain to ideas of wrongful, improper or unlawful conduct motivated by premeditated or intentional purpose or by obstinate indifference to the consequences of one’s acts.

There are many other definitions of misconduct, but to draw the reader’s attention to these most common and helpful one’s presented here and re-direct the reader above to the HPC standards of conduct, performance and ethics (points 3 and 4), it is clear there is a huge scope for the application of misconduct that the HPC can pursue. Therefore it is clear from this that the HPC has become a dangerous monster. It is quite clear, that in their use of their idea of what constitutes misconduct, the HPC have in effect committed misconduct (mismanaged) themselves in the case of Dr Cross.

Why do I charge the HPC with misconduct in the case of Dr Cross and in general of becoming a dangerous institutional monster? Taking into consideration the scope of what misconduct can cover, and also how the HPC standards of conduct, performance and ethics are laid out, their system is open to abuse, as has occurred in the case of Dr Cross, by the HPC, registrants and patients or the general public. Points 3 and 4 of this document covers personal conduct but also the proviso that a “registrant must tell us (and any other regulators) if you have important information about your conduct or competence, or about other registrants and health professionals you work with.”

This framework encourages denouncements by colleagues and negates the possibility of talking to colleagues about problems, encourages defensive personal and professional conduct, and promotes a lack of trust in oneself or the possibility of efficient self-reflection. I think this is what Michel Foucault calls the panoptic society whereby, we overly self-govern ourselves out of fear of being caught out by the surveillance of the institution that makes the rules.

The HPC has however has wildly distorted any ordinary self-governance so that people denounce their colleagues to those who pretend to be the guardians of the public. In other words, we cannot act freely because the “Big Other” as Zizek explains, is always in the background, haunting our being, and robbing us of our ontological freedom. The HPC mistake themselves for the “Big Other”, in a Big Brother Orwellian way. Others are watching our behaviour for any flaws and will report this, not to us, but to the HPC. But we even have to watch out for our own flaws, and must report ourselves to the HPC if we notice any in ourselves. Has the HPC panoptic machine not gone too far?

It is clear from the HPC’s framework, that anybody who is offended by somebody’s (e.g., a psychologist) conduct such as swearing, smoking too much, not sleeping properly, being unfaithful, driving too fast, being late for work, eating unhealthy foods, spending too much time shopping or watching too much television, could make a complaint to the HPC. The examples I list could all be classed as misconduct. But please note, it also depends on who is offended. Some might be offended by such behaviour, others not. This is what occurred in the case of Dr Cross; some people were offended, or perhaps frightened by their duty to the HPC panoptic machine. Or was it because that they felt he didn’t like them as much as they thought or wanted him to like them?

What I am trying to say is this; was there not a better way to do things in the case of Dr. Cross and does the HPC not realise (maybe it does) that their dialectic concerning misconduct has reached monstrous proportions? I put it to the HPC that they have breached their own codes of what amounts to misconduct. They have badly mismanaged their position; protection of the public, and brought a case to hearing that had already been dealt with by the British Psychological Society. This case could have been dealt with (by the BPS for example) in a much more humane, civil, and satisfactory manner). Instead, they have infantilised a profession (psychologists) by encouraging them to snitch on colleagues for matters that previously could be dealt with face-to-face or in-house at work. In the past one could actually talk to a colleague or have word with your manager if someone offends you or if you are concerned about someone’s behaviour. But it seems that such simple gestures seem to be regarded by pro-HPC persons and bodies as obsolete and unreliable; we cannot be trusted anymore! God forbid the HPC cry, stop people from negotiating personal and professional relationships by talking to each other. Dr Cross has been dragged through the papers and his reputation sullied by offending two people. Dr Cross is a member of the public and has not been protected by this shambolic process. The HPC’s fitness to practice is impaired as they have damaged a psychologist’s career and livelihood (and perhaps eroded what it means to be human and the freedom of what this entails) whilst disregarding their ridiculous standards of conduct, performance and ethics of how they deal with misconduct.

We do unfortunately live in world where we will at some point offend someone. We will get up peoples noses and have disagreements. We will all also live lives and engage in behaviours that others will feel are unhealthy, dangerous, and in need of change; we all will. So the sorry state of affairs we all have to accept is that all psychologists, psychotherapists, and counsellors will at some point break the HPC standards of conduct, performance and ethics, and so will the HPC. Let’s all hand ourselves in and get it over and done with! The rock solid idealism of the HPC and how an HPC registrant should be is a fairytale and represents a quite frightening delusional fantasy of what the world should be like. The way the HPC lawyer and two complainants spoke about misconduct painted a picture of reality where no risk, fallibility, or pain (psychic) should enter human life or behaviour. This is dialectical disease.

We live in a world where there are unjust wars being waged (by our own and other governments), there is the banking crisis which exacerbates the greed and deceit by the bankers, politicians are fiddling their expenses and engaging in dodgy lobbying for private companies which affects government policy. The gap between rich and poor is bigger than ever, and there are thousands of homeless people roaming the streets of our country who do not have a warm bed to sleep in or hot plate of food to eat. Thus, I ask, why is it that health professionals (and psychotherapists and counsellors) are being targeted by such a massive projection or demand for “safety” (by the HPC and society in general). I feel we should take Lacan’s lead and seriously look into this demand and see what it has to say. I think underlying this demand may be something quite sinister or at least, fraught with dis-ease. However, I think we have right to feel ill at ease in today’s times, but I feel it is a cheap shot to target health professionals (and psychotherapists and counsellors) . The last thing we need, considering the state of the world today, is a panoptic state breathing down our necks accompanied by a diseased dialectic of what it means to be human or a psychologist (in his or her personal life). The HPC and similar constrictive institutions seem to want to impose a world view where no risk ever takes place, where human beings conduct themselves like robots and are rewarded for perfect behaviour, but severely punished for straying from the (ur) model.

I wonder what Goethe would have thought if he had witnessed the HPC hearing of Dr Malcolm Cross? I am certain that he would have felt that HPC’s dialectical disease would find a wholesome remedy in the study of the nature of the situation, instead of a dialectical process of trying to make the true false, and the false true, which is what occurred on the 15th and 16th of March 2010 in Kennington, London.


Footnotes
i Conversations of Goethe, with Johann Peter Eckerman. Da Capo Press (1998). Extract taken from page 244.
ii The HPC lawyer, Dr. Cross’s lawyer, the “independent judging panel, and witnesses including Dr. Cross.
iii There is no record of the case or the result of Dr. Cross on the HPC website for the public to consult. I have been in touch with the fitness to practice hearing department at the HPC and they told me that as this case was “not well founded” it automatically becomes deleted from the past hearings list. However, if Dr. Cross wished his hearing details and result to be left on the list (for whatever reason), it would be left on. However, other similar cases’ details and results have been left on the list. It remains to be seen if the HPC have “erased” the case of Dr Cross Orwellian style, for fear of what this terrible, abusive, and highly mismanaged case might signify to a public critical of the HPC regulation of psychologists, psychotherapists, and counsellors.
iv www.clinpsy.org.uk
v Martin Heidegger. Zollicon seminars: Protocols-conversations-letters. Published by Northwestern University Press in 2001.
vi Michel Foucault. Psychiatric power: Lectures at the College de France, 1973-1974. Published by Palgrave Macmillan in 2006.
vii Slavoj Zizek. How to read Lacan. Published by Granata Publications in 2006.
viii Jacques Lacan. Ecrits. A selection. Published by WW. Norton & Company in 2002.
ix I do not subscribe to the view that psychotherapists or counsellors are health professionals.

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

This excellent piece demonstrates really well the dangerous level of scrutiny our private lives would be exposed to under the HPC.

The "Standards of conduct, performance and ethics" as outlined are indeed an open invitation to disaffected colleagues to snoop, settle grudges and destroy reputations for financial/career enhancement motives, all in the pretence of behaving ethically and 'protecting the public'.

JoJo said...

i agree: a deeply worrying account.

but i think we also have to be careful not to cast the complainants as dysfunctional instead of the complained against.
it can't be ok to protest about one person being smeared by enacting the same upon others...

all these people are caught up in the same system and i doubt that all the rights/wrongs belong on one side.

Janet Haney said...

Hi JoJo, Yes, I think you are right, it is a red herring to try to decide which psychologist is in the wrong - tho this is the question that the HPC funnels us towards. I agree, it is more interesting to ask how such a bizarre and damaging event can take place in the first place, and how the effect is multiplied. There can be little doubt that it is the presence and mechanisms of the HPC that turns a small local non-event into an international salacious 'news' item. The HPC is the mechanism through which the harm is created as a social reality, the media plus internet technology provides stunning multiplication. Yes, the appetite has to be there already, but this structure picks it up and fans it into a raging fire. What was the complainant frightened of (his fear was palpable at the hearing)? His own sexuality, do you think? Where is it possible to even ask such a question in a calm and quiet way, now that the HPC has jumped into the scene? Janet.

Anonymous said...

JoJo, thank you for bringing to my attention that I could inadvertently have implied something I never intended to.

I was speaking in generalities about the kinds of INOYNO motives the system encourages us to act on, in order to bring complaints about each other, or to fan the flames as Janet says.

I certainly did NOT mean to imply that this complainant in this particular case was acting on such motives - I wasn't there, I do not know him or the circumstances, and it would of course be entirely wrong to suggest I know his motives.

Anonymous said...

The same of course goes for any other complainants in this case.

JoJo said...

hi, thanks for the replies,

rose i meant a general 'we' (have to be careful etc) not intending to suggest you particularly, but thanks for the clarification.

janet, i agree with all of what you are saying, but i do wonder how much of this is a bigger socio-cultural issue, and not one that can be contained to or addressed by objection to the HPC in particular.

for my sins, i sometimes read the daily mail online, and the prurient, persectuory 'trial by media' culture is writ large there every day of the week.

this is the price of having 'no such thing as society' (as thatcher famously told us) and, as you mention, the growth of internet culture which makes expert commentators of us all, and removes many of the barriers to expressing unpleasant or persecutory comments.

we only have to look at the 'facebook' hounding of an ordinary citizen mistakenly identified as john venables to see this writ large. thousands of people joined up, ready to pronounce on little or no evidence, to judge, to sentence, and even to enact sentence.

The HPC reflects culture, it doesn't create it.

Janet Haney said...

I don't understand your social theory Jo Jo. You appear to be caught in a paradox: society no longer exists (courtesy of Mrs Thatcher), yet the HPC is produced by society. It doesn't add up. It might be better to say that the HPC was produced not by society, but by The State, and that this State came into existence in the void produced by Mrs Thatcher's politics. Would you agree with that?

Yet the problem still remains - the HPC was created by secondary legislation, then brought to life by real people who are not just passive victims of the State (tho this is precisely how Marc Seale presented himself at the Confer Conference earlier this year). These are people who can and should be called to account. They can explain their impossible position as part of the difficulties they are struggling with - of course, why not? - but they cannot avoid the responsibility for the consequences of their actions or existence. Your argument pushes us to let them off this hook. Is this really your aim?

JoJo said...

hi janet,

well i am not a social theorist so i may be less than eloquent on the issues..

i suppose i mean that the thatcher 'revolution' filled everyone up with a sense of their individual entitlement, and eroded a sense of community responsibility. since the expression of personal freedom has to be balanced by the impact of that on others, and in the absence of community engendered self limiting mechanisms, the state becomes the instrument of that.

so someone feels 'entitled' to 'twitter away' during a working dinner (i somehow doubt the secretary would have been invited to a 'purely social occasion'), and someone else feels 'entitled' to try to kiss a subordinate collegue and make sexualised comments at the same event. well, call me old fashioned, but i doubt i'd consider doing either of those things under those circumstances myself. what are the limiting mechanisms on behaviour, and if people cannot 'self limit' how are they limited?

this is not to say i think the HPC is the right body to resolve such issues, but then i'm not sure the BPS is either (it has vested interests, all professional bodies do).

i think the HPC is one example of a quango culture. of course, every person employed by the HPC is accountable for their actions - how could it be otherwise if they expect us to account for ours - but equally they don't create this culture, they are, like the rest of us, entangled in it whether they like it or not.

i work in the NHS and there are aspects of clinical policy that i do not agree with, but that doesn't give me the (legal or moral) right to act individualistically outside of it. my manager might even agree with my views, but they too are role bound. if i observe the 'rules' of a system that is largely outside my control, does that mean i am attempting to'avoid responsibility' for any possibly adverse consequences of policy. i don't know. i hope not.

i am not sure what you think i am 'letting the HPC off the hook for', i think its a sad example of the state of the nation. But i don't personally see its employees as my oppressors: they are doing their jobs, like the rest of us, within imperfect parameters.

changing the parameters is a whole bigger job, IMO.

Janet Haney said...

Thanks for persevering here - I'm not sure I've yet grasped your argument fully, but I do think you are raising interesting points on a really crucial (classic, almost) issue. If I stick to something specific, that might help: the point you make about disagreeing with clinical policy and aspects of the institution for which you work - what should you do? This is a vital question, isn't it?

What is to be done? You pose the alternative as "acting individualistically outside the system". I'm not quite sure what you mean. I'd be grateful if you could let me know what you had in mind.

JoJo said...

hi janet,

well, for example, child and adolescent mental health services in my area stop at 18. after that, we are supposed to transfer clients to adult services. except of course, adult services are far less well resourced than CAMHS and many clients will not meet the 'threshold' to receive an adult service. so they are left with very little, other than what the voluntary sector can offer, or what they can afford to pay for privately.

as an ex CAMHS client recently put it on radio 4 - 'up to the age of 18, people thought my life was worth saving'

as a service, we have made our representations to senior management about the impact on vulnerable clients of such a policy to no effect (probably due to cost implications of extending the service).

as a clinician, i could carry on seeing my 18 year old clients, it could be done, but i don't. why not? because it would place me and (more importantly) them outside the governance structures that exist to protect clients and ensure clinicians are practising safely.

the system is imperfect, but it would be grandiose of me to place myself outside of it, to decide that the 'rules' don't apply to me.

does that help?

Janet Haney said...

That's a great example, thanks JoJo.
I agree with you that the logic behind the policy must go something like this: up to the age of 18 a child or young person is not an adult, and someone else has to be around to lend a hand, or say 'this life is worth protecting'. Hence the NHS has more money for this section of society, and they get better access to free treatments. After 18 we are supposed to be able to take responsibility for ourselves. Of course, such a broad policy will have hard edges, and this is why it is important for other people (family, friends, social workers, teachers, professionals, ... anyone really) to exercise their judgement and to influence things locally to the best of their abilities.

I don't know what you mean by 'grandiose' here, and can only suppose you are saying that you don't feel competent to offer a particular person the service of your private clinic. I was pushed to this rather shakey assumption because you spoke about going outside the structures of governance. It might also have an economic dimension which couldn't be addressed through a sliding scale fee - tho I don't see how that is 'grandiose'. So, I'm stuck here, I can only imagine that you meant you would have to think yourself super-capable to work outside the NHS, and this would be gradiose, because in reality you are not able to function without the organisation structure. Right? No, surely that's not right - you must be capable of practising independently, else you would not have gained your qualification - so I really don't know what you mean!

So I guess I have two more questions: first - 'governance' - I wonder whether the managerial and organisational meaning of the word is eclipsing the clinical questions here? And second - did you really mean grandiose'?

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JoJo said...

hi janet, i wrote a rather rambling reply, this is an attempt to be more succinct...

yes of course i am qualified to practise whether that be in the NHS or privately. but i don't think it would be ethical for NHS staff to 'decant' clients from the NHS work into their private practice, its far too fraught with possible conflicts of interest, and i doubt it would go down well with the general public...

grandiose - well for example, assuming or imagining that i (or any of us) as an individual clinician can some how 'stand in for' or 'replace' an entire service, operate outside the structures (such as multi disciplinary thinking and risk management, access to other clinicians etc).

so yes, it sometimes feels like the organisational 'rules' are in conflict with the clinical issues, but none of us are infallible, all-mighty, and imagining you can set yourself outside the rules is, IMO, a dangerous activity.

contained in the very idea that you might is a notion that rules apply to other people, not you, and if you feel able to put yourself ourside one set of rules, which others might you consider irrelevant to you? who will mitigate your choices? 'therapist' is a very powerful concept.

i ended last time with an example of someone who spent 10 years in weekly (private) CBT therapy. who did that help? and where was the therapists' reflective practice?

Janet Haney said...

Thanks JoJo.

It's difficult to know much about the particulars, but I'd prefer not to stray into the general just yet. You were speaking about the rule that makes it possible for someone up to access NHS services up to the age of 18, and you said you might have offered to continue working with the person, but chose not to in order to avoid grandiosity. Unless you meant that this person didn't need more Arts Therapy I haven't really understood why you think it would be gradiose to offer it even in layman's terms.

I suppose you would only offer art therapy, and that he or she would be able to understand that you were not trying to replicate the NHS in your consulting room. I do think that a small act can go a long way to ameliorate the problems of bureaucratic, large scale, rules, so long as one keeps a handle on reality. I guess colleagues can also support the transition. I don't understand why this case ended so abruptly - of course, I know nothing about it at all. But, I wouldn't immediately assume you were 'decanting'. If you were very worried about the accusation of 'cashing in' on your NHS position, I suppose you could refer the person to someone else in the field or you could put the person in touch with the local arts therapy institutions where they may chose for themselves. There seem to be a few things at least that might be done at a local level without raising questions about your own mental state.

But perhaps in fact you mean that this person needed something other than arts therapy, in which case I agree: it would make no sense for you to offer to see him, or her, in private.

You mention a CBT case of 10 years - but I don't really know what point you wish to make. Are you worried about the patient? Is it possible to say more without straying into confidential matters? I would not automatically assume anyone is being exploited.

For now, Janet

mrdiki said...

Don't see what all the fuss is about, read the Daily Mail article and Telegraph articles...this man behaved like a dirty old goat and then tried to pass it off as a joke..if in the course of a works evening I asked my boss for a BJ I would reasonably expect to be sacked, some things go beyond the pale..and we are absolutley entitled to expect probity from so called professionals who provide a service to vunerable and young clients...get real, if you don't like it why don't you all become "life coaches" or join the weirdo cult of NLP then you can really get away with murder...and what is all this about the bias of the HPC? Seems to me that given the evidence the panel made a perverse finding of fact (I have a copy of their decision) and that they have downplayed the whole situation. Why? Oh, well it seems that Dr Cross is a HPC council Member, now we wouldn't want anything to tarnish our image would we...?

Janet Haney said...

Hello mrdiki,

I'm glad you point out that the HPC gets caught up in the mess here, it's an important point. Perhaps they chose to hear the case in the first place in order to prove their lack of prejudice, only to then throw it out as unfounded (trying to have it both ways). Apparently they took 6 hours to come to their decision. I wonder what they were discussing in all that time.

Another question that has yet to be asked is whether the psychologist who raised the complaint is himself 'fit for practice'. The effect of this joke on him was very strong indeed.

I did wonder whether Malcolm Cross would use his experience to improve the processes of the HPC, but apparently he just wants to put this behind him, and carry on as usual.

Perhaps you know that you can request a copy of the whole transcript of the case from Ciara.O'Dwyer@hpc-uk.org

Thanks for your comment.

JoJo said...

I suppose you could refer the person to someone else in the field or you could put the person in touch with the local arts therapy institutions where they may chose for themselves.

that is exactly what i would do if the person expressed a strong wish to continue in my specific profession.

but neither i personally, nor any other practitioner, can individually replicate a whole, multidisciplinary service.

you assume clients (including adolescents) are always fully able to understand this, but that ignores that these clients wouldn't be in the NHS service in the first place if they weren't extremely vulnerable.

its very easy to get caught up in a patient's sense of loss and need and (as a 'caring profession') to want to help. this is why we all have supervision to help us manage transference issues and what may be lodged in us as therapists (who are also human, vulnerable, fallible).

interestingly, i can't think of any professional association in the 'counselling and psychotherapies' industry who wouldn't agree with me that it would usually be problematic and unethical to take patients from the NHS into private practice, so i'm not sure why you think i'm makeing some sort of fuss or declaring myself mentally incompetent... !

and as for 10 years in CBT - its supposed to be solution focussed, goal oriented, short term therapy. at what point does a CBT trained practitioner have a duty to say 'actually, i think you are looking for something else, a more analytical, long term therapy, and I am not qualified to provide that'? or does he just go on taking the fees whilst the patient never gets any better?

Janet Haney said...

Hi JoJo - I wonder what gets you going here, you seem to be a bit agitated. If a child is being cared for by a team, I would expect that team to notice he or she was approaching 18 and figure out what to do about it. I would be very surprised if s/he was just dropped, and I would be very concerned if all the professionals said 'I can't do anything about it in case I'm thought grandiose or to be cashing in'. What a dreadful state of affairs that would be!

I have noticed that some people who work in the NHS are very sensitive about money - almost as if they feel guilty for being paid too much already! I observed a Fitness to Practice case where a speech and language therapist was hauled through the mud for taking £1 for a private session! Amazing. He was cleared by the Panel in the end - thank goodness for common sense, but the HPC solicitor was going for his blood. I wrote about it here in Feb 2009.

As for the CBT case - do you know that the therapist is not also trained in another modality? This is quite common I think (and especially for someone who has been practicing for more than 10 years). Also, it is not uncommon to find people who need more than the short series of 12 quick sessions (or whatever the number is) - some who go for CBT are struggling with psychosis, indeed, and find the stability and structure really useful in order to function in their life. Perhaps the practitioner is sensitive and wise enough, well qualified, to know this. You asked before about the practitioners reflective practice - how do you know they do or don't do this? If you are worried about a particular practitioner, and you know enough about it, you could take steps to discover the truth and help the situation. If you simply imagine that someone is a charlatan - and I can't believe you have done this, but if you did, well, it would be you who needs to reflect, wouldn't it?

A public information campaign would be fantastically useful here though wouldn't it. To really get to the heart of the differences in all of the various practices. This would be a great piece of work to be involved with - it would take time and effort, and best of all, would be part of an enlightened movement! This is what I really want to see. (There is a terrific new play that would help here - Therapy! By Josh Appignanesi - which I hope to write about elsewhere).

The HPC likes to begin by saying that practitioners are cheats and scoundrals. I prefer to keep an open mind, find out the facts, and then decide. Don't you?

Janet

JoJo said...

I would expect that team to notice he or she was approaching 18 and figure out what to do about it. I would be very surprised if s/he was just dropped

janet, you are forgetting what i told you at the start of this tale. levels of services available to under 18s are substantially greater than those available to over 18s.

of course we don't want to 'just drop' people and we do what we can to direct people to alternative services (but they won't be anywhere near as accessible, and are highly unlikely to be free) but the fact of the matter is the Trust closes their files at 18.

we started all this with me saying i don't agree clinically with this policy. but it is a reality of the service, and it isn't possible or ethical for us/all to simple ignore that and carry on regardless (for a fee).

as for the CBT case, i wouldn't have raised it if i didn't know the full situation. i don't think the practitioner is wilfully negligent, but they have allowed themselves to become, well,complacent at best and grandiose at worst.... to imagine that, although their mode of therapy isn't working, and they aren't trained in analysis, and the patient isn't getting any better, none of that really matters. the patient comes, therefore they must value the work (whatever it is) therefore its all good. of course there is something in that, but there may also be something in saying to the patient: actually, you don't need me. you don't need therapy. go out and get a hobby and make some friends instead. or alternatively referring to analysis where whatever 'stuckness' is going on in that relationship might finally get worked through.

one of your other correspondence raised NLP - as Paul 'I can make you lose eight' McKenna has demonstrated, ordinary, overwight people can be persuaded to part with large sums of cash on the basis of some sort of mind majic that PM is going to perform on them: how much more vulnerable are clients with significant emotional needs.

i don't think the HPC starts from the assumption all practitioners are crooks, and neither do i. i start from the assumption that all practitioners are ordinary, fallible human beings, capable of making mistakes, capable of having their own psychological disturbance, capabale of making bad choices for good reasons, capable of suffering from stress, over work, a wish to be able to do more than they can, a worry about 'letting people down' etc etc etc.

i do absolutely agree with you that the psychological therapies need to set their stalls out in terms of what exactly it is they do: its been one of my long standing concerns about how they 'market' their services. its always couched in terms of 'tired, depressed, life feel meaningless - we can help you'. what they don't say is : but its gonna take 5 years of 5 times a week analysis and we're going to have to look in depth at your potty training/ hey you've got faulty cognitions, we'll give you a few think good exercises to do and then you'll feel fine /

i often think you need to be an expert in therapy to know what sort of therapy you want or need. and i'm qualified in the field. how much more vulnerable are our clients?

but i feel we've strayed some way from regulation. i reiterate, i don't think the HPC is the perfect body for it, and i don't think the FtoP model is great. but i do think the idea of transparency and accoutability is a valuable one, and we mustn't throw out the babay with the bathwater...

Janet Haney said...

No, JoJo, I didn't forget. You said you might have offered to carry on seeing this 18 year old, but didn't because you were not grandiose. I didn't understand why you thought it grandiose until you said that s/he made no demand. That's a very good reason for not taking him/her on - and yes, I agree it would be grandiose to insist s/he continue!

But this is quite different from the other case. You think the (adult?) who chooses to see the CBT therapist every week for ten years is too feeble to think for themselves, and needs someone else to say - hey go and join a club. Isn't that a bit patronising? Or does this person really need to be rescued?

I'm glad you like the idea of a public education campaign. Wouldn't that be worth spending some public money on. It would stimulate informed debate, and make information available for everyone to make use of for themselves. Otherwise all the different kinds of practitioners will end up trying to be the expert on everyone else's practice! Hardly a sustainable state of affairs.

Janet

JoJo said...

hi janet,

well i could write a long post pointing pout where you have misunderstood, misrepresented or plain old distorted what i have said, and tried (albeit with little success so far) to progress the understanding between is... but the sun is out, and frankly, i can't be bothered.

i get the picture. you seem to be excusing practitioners from any responsibility both in their practice and in their behaviour.

if patients get a raw deal thats their problem, or maybe their active choice, but one should never 'patronise' them by suggesting the therapist has some responsibility for what happens (or doesn't).

if anyone has any concerns about practitioners behaviour, its most likely they are the ones with the problem.

embittered secretarys with some sort of 'twittering' disorder, or colleagues who must be struggling with their sexuality, or enacting personal grudges, or people like me who must be 'paid too much' and/or have a problem with their own 'mental state'.

hey ho.

Janet Haney said...

I'm baffled JoJo: I thought I'd finally understood what you meant by Grandiose, but you say I've misrepresented you. I notice that you chose to misrepresent me in return - so I guess you are pretty irritated! I hope the lovely weather this weekend has put you back in fine fettle, and that you will try again to explain what it is that you want to say.

Janet